Orlando and Wounded Knee
I was working the day of the tragedy in Orlando and I worked the day after, when our President publicly addressed this heartbreaking event. I had time between calls to listen to his address and after reflecting on it, I took away from it a clear message about our rights as American citizens.
There are some frightening ideas that have surfaced in the wake of the recent shootings. Sadly, some have rejoiced at the killing of homosexuals. A few have gone as far as to say it was God’s will that they be killed. Some think we ought to close mosques and lock up anyone who preaches Jihad. The President, in his address, passionately argued that we cannot under any circumstance allow the freedoms of our citizens to be taken from them based on their religion or sexual orientation.
Because most of the recent mass killings have come at the hands of radical Muslims, some have suggested we consider restricting entry into our borders anyone coming from a nation known for breeding and exporting terrorism. In his response to this idea, the President noted that there can never be a religious litmus test that determines whether one should be allowed entry into the U.S.. On this point, he is right. However, it is a slightly more complicated issue.
If you happen to be a foreigner, you are not guaranteed the right to visit our country. It is within our rights as a nation to evaluate your background when you apply for a travel visa or citizenship. There are a number of things which, if they turn up on your background check, can cause your application to be rejected. Entry into our country is a privilege, not a guaranteed right. This is how it works in nearly every nation in the world. And although I think we would be wise to carefully vet those who enter our country from nations known for exporting terror—especially when the terrorists themselves have said their goal is to infiltrate our country—we can become overzealous and oppressive if we’re not careful.
The president didn’t mention it, but the reason homosexuals, Pagans, Jews, Christians and Muslims have the freedom to live as they wish is because of the constitution, which guarantees these rights. I applaud his passion in defending the rights that our citizens are given in the first amendment of the constitution. But as soon as he had finished this part of his message, he addressed what has become his other major passion—the issue of gun control.
He suggested that as a nation the world looks to for leadership, we must rethink our position on guns and we must understand that civilized societies do not need to be armed. He argued that this tragic killing only further proves that we can’t be trusted with deadly weapons. And in doing so, the President, who just a few minutes earlier said we cannot characterize an entire group by the actions of a few, painted all gun owners as untrustworthy because of the actions of a few.
What became obvious in his speech is that the President is willing to defend the constitutional rights of some groups, but he is not interested in defending the rights of all groups. In his hierarchy of groups who deserve to have their rights defended, homosexuals and Muslims rank higher than gun owners. He has a preference for defending the rights guaranteed by the first amendment, but not the second amendment. Unfortunately, the same is true for many of us.
I have many dear friends who live outside the U.S. They have no guns and they’re perfectly content to live without them. They deride us yanks over our foolish insistence on preserving our right to own guns. Some look at the way we cling to an old document written centuries ago and think we’ve gone mad. They see it as a useless relic that had its time, but which now has become obsolete.
There was an even larger mass killing in the U.S. on December 29,1890. On that day somewhere between 150 and 300 Sioux Indians were killed by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry (estimates on the death toll vary). The feds had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after most of the Sioux had peacefully surrendered their weapons. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. Most of victims were unarmed women and children. The Wounded Knee massacre was among the first (but not the only) attempt by the government to confiscate legally owned firearms and it ended in the senseless murder of hundreds of people.
The Second Amendment was written by those who had fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe (governments less oppressive than those in some Arab nations today). It confers upon us the right to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise within our own borders. And it is the duty and obligation of the President to uphold all the laws of the constitution—not just the ones he prefers.
If a government is able to restrict the rights of one group, it can restrict the rights of all groups. If we allow the rights of gun owners to be restricted, after we’ve been left defenseless, who is going to prevent the government from restricting the rights of any group that it dislikes? If you believe governments won’t pass laws that unnecessarily restrict personal freedoms, consider this:
In 2013, Queensland passed legislation outlawing motorcycle gangs. The law doesn’t just prohibit the activities of motorcycle clubs or gang-related crimes, but how individuals are allowed to dress. If you’re caught riding a Harley in a leather jacket with a gang emblem on it, your bike can be confiscated and you can be thrown in jail, whether you’re involved in criminal activity or not. My Aussie mates seem to pretty keen on the law, but I don’t imagine it affects any of their freedoms… only the freedoms of others.
Have we come to a point where we’ll only take a stand against the oppression of freedom if it directly impacts us?
I don’t think it’s wise to allow our government to further erode our rights. Even if one does not agree with homosexuality or gun ownership (or bikers), they’re all constitutional rights, and ones that are worth preserving just as much as the other rights we value; the right to freely assemble, to freely protest and to freely worship God.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
~ Martin Niemöller
(Niemöller was a pastor and outspoken critic of Adolf Hitler, who spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in various concentration camps.)
I think you are right on the mark. I am a seventy year old widow. I believe in gun ownership for citizens that have no criminal background. I don’t trust the government to protect me and I don’t trust them to not oppress me.
I am deeply grieved by your post. It reflects a spirit of division, partisanship and failure to listen accurately which leads to mishearing what is being said, and misrepresentation in response. I’m am continually grieved with how Christians who affiliate with both parties do this, and fall right into the hands of the spirit that gleefully creates division, the opposite of the One who takes down dividing walls of hostility. Obama has not said that he wants to disarm all Americans, thereby violating their Constitutional rights. He has simply called in angst and grief for reconsideration of the laws, in light of the simple question of why do ordinary citizens need laws which make automatic weapons typically used in war easily available to disturbed and/or violent people, the likes of which have been responsible for Orlando, and multiple schools, a movie theatre massacre, etc. We may or may not agree with his statement, but when believers think differently they have a responsibility to build bridges of understanding, not to take partisan stands on something extra-biblical in a blog otherwise dedicated to bringing the love and healing of Christ. Please continue to be a voice for healing, understanding and reconciliation wherever possible. There is no need for more voices that unnecessarily inflame the appalling situation of division, not only of the country but of millions of Christians, by misrepresenting either side.
And I am dismayed and grieved at yours Lynn.
We cannot all be singing Kumbaya around a campfire while our country is being “Fundamentally changed” at our expense and freedoms.
We have soldiers who are the cream of the crop to go off into battle and fight for what we believe is right and whether we believe in the “correctness” of the battle, they still go.
We do not have a Commander in Chief in our White House but rather a Divider in Chief.
Gun control has been on the Dems agenda for years and they have been whittling away at the 2nd amendment ever sense they took that position.
PM’s post does not divide. If anything it coalesces and makes a great point that the freedoms we have enjoyed in the past are being eroded, little by little and we are getting what we well deserve by the silent majority taking a back seat to anything political and just going with the flow.
They have taken God out of everything that was once held dear to our nations foundation and we just stood by and watched it go a bit at a time.
God puts into place whomever He wishes and the POTUS is no exception. I believe that this is a warning shot for all Americans to wake up and take charge of this country that He gave us to steward.
By the way…..the POTUS is an expert at both double speak or double entendres just in case you have not noticed.
Plus those guns are NOT automatic, like a machine gun.They are single shot as fast as you can pull the trigger until the clip is empty. Most hunting rifles are the same and can be turned into an “assault gun” very easily so what do we do, ban all of them? Where does it end?
And what about the crazies like Timothy McVeigh? (no guns)
Why don’t the Dems bring up D.U.I.’s which killed 9,957 people in 2014? Or drugs which killed over 47,000 people in 2105? Far more important don’t you think?
If they , whoever “they” may be, have an intent to kill, they will do it with SOMETHING and you cannot ban EVERYTHING.
Got it?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller ..1892-1984 ..German Lutheran pastor
Power-Full read with great light illuminating on how quickly we can become powerless
Thank you PM!!
I say Amen,Georgia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On this topic of gun ownership,I wrote this on Jo Ellen’s post,”then we should confiscate all box cutters because that it what the terrorists did on those planes on 9/11. For that matter,maybe we need to ground all planes as they were used as weapon of mass destruction on 9/11. What about knives, they are used daily in slashings,maybe all knives should be confiscated. What about all the illegal guns purchased;there’s no way to stop it or confiscate them.They are used daily by gangs and criminals. I don’t know about assault weapons being purchased by ordinary people but I am concerned it will open the door to them completely taking away the right to any gun ownership. The government has not done its job in protecting this nation,we have open borders.. I believe the military,police force should have assault weapons.. I even believe guards in schools should be armed. The problem lies with the fact that this man was under investigation 2 times. At least his name,photo should have been on a list handed out to gun shops,stores where they can buy materials to make their home made bombs. Plus, he left the country and his reason going to Mecca on pilgrimage,sounds like an alarm should go off. But unfortunately he was not considered a danger by them.I believe we have the right to own guns for our defense and for hunting purposes.
He should not restrict our rights as law abiding citizens to our right to bear arms. I believe if Obama could get away with it he would take those rights away.
Hi! I am an outsider to this discussion, as I live in Europe. But I honestly don’t undestand two things. #1. If the US government will decide to limit or make it illegal to own semi-automatic rifles – who can stop them?! State after state will begin to outlaw it and then the Supreme Court will decide in favour of nationwide ban of any guns they want – who can stop them? Or if President will use an Executive Order to get around the Congress to stop or limit ammo sales – who can stop them legally? It was done with gay marriage: heated discussion first, then a state after state and then all came to the Supreme Court decision and it is the law of the land now and all have to obey now. #2 I also remember house sweeps after Boston marathon tragedy. I don’t think anybody in their right mind (God forbid) will fight with a hand gun against armored vichicles and army if it will come to confiscation sweeps. I just don’t understand how can a hand gun ownership protect an indivudual angainst tyrany with its financial unlimited resorces, army, state-of-the-art technology and the law. Everyday self defense – ok, I understand it. But the belief that the Second Amendment will protect common people from tyrany seems a little bit delusional.
My husband is Tlingit Alaska Native with a passion and heart for reconciliation ….
He has a facebook Page: Apology2Natives [ https://www.facebook.com/ApologytoAmericanIndians/ ]
and a Native Waves Network Apology2Natives page link: [ http://apology2natives.weebly.com/ ]
where you may view documentation he made on “The Nations Apology”. This was a document which Obama placed in a signed 2009 military spending bill that very few know about …. apologizing for the atrocities committed and over 400 broken treaties with Native peoples ….
This links is to a music video he produced: A Simple Apology: [ https://www.facebook.com/ApologytoAmericanIndians/ ]
its a beautiful song …..
Since the slaughter of Wounded Knee was mentioned in your blog I felt providing additional information on my husbands heart passion would be appropriate to link too for reference … He also interviewed Lou Engle in his journey around the nation filming this project because of his passion and involvement in The Call ….
Cory also knew and worked for a season with a Native American man, Dr. Jay Swallow, whose family member was hidden and spared massacre at Wounded Knee … but had peeked out to witness the carnage ensuing and recounted the story to decendents ….
For me, there are a lot of issues around mass slaughters of ANY human beings …. Personally, the Native Americans have been reduced in numbers from millions to a few hundred thousand in this land today as a result … not just in this one premeditated slaughter … but through smallpox infested horse blankets … to the theft of land and relocations of natives to reservations ….
There is a Trail of Tears, not just for Native and Alaska Native peoples, but for marginalized and sub-cultures of people within this country and world wide …. for when a people group DE-HUMANIZE any other creature or people/ethnic group, then it makes room for the anihilation and reduction of said people … we labeled Native American’s as ‘savages’ and worse disparaging terms …. we do the same for African American, Latino, and other ethnic cultures … Hitler did it for the Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals … although we hear very little about the latter two groups … the reality of history is still present
While I applaud you for citing the constitution …. the “republic” that this land once was …. and was intially intended to be, is no longer a republic …. or governed by the constitution …. and trust me, my husband HAS a very well-read, well-worn book of The Constitution he has studied, believes in, and quotes from; as well as the heritage lineage and experience as an Alaska Native citizen …
We, as people, are being de-humanized daily .and we, as people, ARE de-humanizing people daily … we are asleep and void of understanding of the constitution and our rights ensured so “TPTB” are working diligently in the shadows to undermine our Creator provided rights of liberty and freedom …
Guns DO NOT kill people … people kill people and use guns, and other items to do so …. law abiding citizens trained to respect guns and know how to operate them, will use them responsibly and ensure they are safely stored away from possible or potential mayhem ….
The whole reason the Japanese Army did not invade our country back in the 1940’s because their leader was trained in OUR University … he knew every household was armed and trained in the use of these firearms and his invasion would be met with skilled resistance from Patriots ….
But very few know this fact ….
I am deeply grived by this shooting …. some are saying it has evidence of being a ‘false flag’ event … I don’t know … but any portrayal of or actual slaughter of [people period but] marginalized people de-humanized for such manner angers and grieves me … and seeing HATE spewed by people angers and grieves me … ESPECIALLY when these people say they represent those who are ‘religious’ in nature …. as if I am and believe as they publically platform believing …. this angers and grieves me ….
Love is the most excellent way …. LOVE does NO HARM to its neighbor …. LOVE fulfills the law …..
We are a society of numbed-out, self-preserving, walled off, materialistic, distracted individuals who are soul wounded, hurt, and looking to ease the pain any way we can … we have lost community … we’ve lost principles of governing righteously ..we are in a mess ….
I pray for the victims and their families, feeling their pain and loss … I grieve over the historic reality of the Wounded Knee massacre and the other atrocities we’ve done against the Native and Alaska Native people and even the Hawai’ian people, for tha matter … I grieve over babies and homosexuals slaughtered …
I grieve over the human race but know there is HOPE coming … I believe there is hope and a future …
Apologies this is so long …. but thank you for allowing me to share ….
I read your whole reply and it was heart felt and touching. Jesus cries also
I like the way you thin my friend
thin should be think
In several of your posts on the subject of the 2nd amendment, you try to make the argument that gun ownership is necessary so that citizens can rise up and oppose an oppressive government. On the news the other night some politician stated that he felt the “no gun” zones should be abolished so that the “good guys” can fight back when the “bad guys” attack because he stated that the police take too long to respond. My impression of that is that he feels we should get rid of the police and organizations like the national guard and replace them with vigilante groups of “good guys” (who decides who those guys are ?). What if the “bad guys” were determined to be Christians protesting at an abortion clinic,etc. ? There could easily be different and conflicting definitions of “good guys” based on a group of citizen’s beliefs. Wikipedia defines terrorism as “fourth-generation warfare and as a violent crime. In its broadest sense, is defined as the use of violence, or threatened use of violence, in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim”. How is that definition any different from your view that gun ownership is necessary to oppose or overthrow and oppressive (in your opinion) government ? My impression is that you would like to return to the wild wild west where everyone carried a gun and mob rule was in effect.
Everyone has a right to self preservation and self defense in power of like kind. Those rights supersede the constitution. The constitution simply codifies our natural rights.
In my opinion, the Second Amendment was our Founding Fathers reset button.
So I have come to know and learn from you as Praying medic, even read your books. But it seems the above article is written only for americans. So not being an american, this seems to be a big deal having the ability to protect oneself with guns. So that being the case an american would protect ones family or others with a firearm of some sort. I understand that, sort of, but I get it. But as a christian, who doesnt live in the states, and is not an american, I cant seem to find the scriptures supporting the 2nd ammendment. 2Cor 10:3-4 Paul seems to say we fight our battles differently…We live in this world, but we don’t act like its people or fight our battles with the weapons of this world. Instead, we use God’s power that can destroy fortresses. This is where I see you, PM, leading a charge with the healing ministry, disease has been a fortress for too long that you have shed light on how to destroy it and see life returned. So how do the christians living in america live out this 2nd ammedment in light of scripture ? My thoughts, applying what you have taught me, if you were to defend your family, and succeeded in using a gun effectively stopping said intruder, would you the raise the intruder from the dead? or if wounded, heal his gunshot wound? How does loving ones enemy look with a gun in ones hand? So if a person was in an ambulance, is it of concern to you if they had just been that intruder, thereby deserving their fate of having being shot? How do you navigate whom gets to live and whom gets to be shot if the same hand that heals, can hold a gun and shoot?
I would love to see a mass resurrection at those killing incidents, that would stop a gunman if they realized the christians would show up and speak life to that which they just took. Now that is what I would love to see happen. Who would then need their guns? Those pesky Christians bringing life and love would definitely be a dis-arming kind of thing. This is the senario I see happening as evil is confronted with life, love and the hope of the good news of Jesus. As more embrace healing, deliverance, raising the dead, it would not take long to change the atmosphere of homes, towns, cities, states, provinces, nations, continents the world… heaven invading this world.
So why then when Peter sliced the ear off of the servant of the high priest, did Jesus say to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.” (spoken just after the teaching at the last supper)
I guess the disciples understood something deeper than what is seen on the surface. For tradition says that none of the Apostles fought or even tried to fight their way out of fiery trials with swords. Tradition says that all of the Apostles ( but not John) were martyred as a direct result of persecution. The book of acts doesnt show the newly empowered christians, full of the Holy Spirit, using swords as a part of the new covenant. They were beaten, they were imprisoned, but they also saw healings and an outpouring and numbers daily being added to the kingdom. They saw the gospel spread from Jerusalem, to Judea, to Samaria the beginning of everywhere in the world.
That verse looks rather wobbly knee for a Christian to stand on. So where else in the new convenant, is this repeated. I know of Pauls words that say we dont use the weapons of this world, and i have seen Jesus work through his kids and bring people groups into his kingdom without swords, such as the walled city coming down in Hong Kong with Jackie Pullinger. Her story matches Acts, but not that verse you have isolated out. Do you have another scripture to shed further light on your take? as I dont see it. I do not understand this but I have seen Jesus words to be true, if you take up a sword you shall perish by the sword. The gun death statistics across the world bear witness of that truth.
Cheryl – you are right on topic with me. Although I do enjoy my 2nd amendment right, I often think about exactly what you have said. I even cried out to God about it right after the news about Orlando that morning. I let God take me to Orlando while kneeling in my bedroom and and I spoke life into the victims still stuck in that club. You are right. Bringing the dead to life is the answer. So I encourage you to do it next time too (not that I want there to be a next time). Who knows? Maybe we’ll see each other 🙂
You’re right, freedom should be the same for all groups. What the President doesn’t seem to understand is that with amazing freedoms we have in this country, is the reality that someone WILL abuse it. Someone will take advantage. It’s human nature in its most predictable light. I don’t own a gun but I want the option, the freedom to chose to. No matter WHAT we do, terrorists will still get their guns and do their harm, bc of who they are and what drives them. That does not mean we have to lay down to their evil intent. I personally think the FBI dropped the ball this time. We had that guy on our radar. He was suspicious and those suspicions were realized. We need to strengthen and tighten our preventative measures. Having to wait til someone actually murders people when they are suspicious isn’t working out so well. Terrorists often come here, educate themselves, and use our own country and its resources to murder our citizens. I have a hard time believing we cant do better preventing these attacks.
Just a thought for Cheryl, I think you are right it the fact it would be life changing. A person protecting his or her family has successfully kept them from harm by shooting the perpetrator. The perpetrator is raised back to life by a Christian, potentially by the same one that shot them, that would/should be life changing for the perpetrator. That would truly show God’s glory in their life and give them a second chance. I seek that no one would be harmed but I am charged with protecting my family. God does not protect us from the consequences of our choices/actions, the perpetrator made theirs but that does not mean my family should suffer.
Ultimately the 2nd amendment is not about hunting for self defense it is about being able to keep the government in check. Our founding fathers recognized that power corrupts and sought checks and balances in each branch of government as well as enumerating our God given rights so that they would not be taken from us. Yury you are correct it would be difficult if it came to that and maybe impossible, but only 3% of the American people were for seceding from England and yet they triumphed.
It is unconscionable for me to even think about infringing upon any God given right of another human
I was surprised by this one.. https://www.facebook.com/thefreethoughtprojectcom/videos/1759814570905469/
Well said PM. I had never even heard of the Wounded Knee shooting until now, but it so accurately shows what could happen today. Citizens must have the means to rebel against a tyrannical government. The founding fathers knew this, and Thomas Jefferson is even quoted as saying, “I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.” Besides, taking away of guns won’t actually fix the problem. What our government doesn’t seem to realize is that if someone wants to kill, they’ll use whatever means available.
I know this isn’t relevant to this post, but thank you again for your teachings and stories about healing. They are always encouraging!
Thank you for your post. I am agreement with your comments, however, I would like to add that I think that Obama’s (not so secret) agenda is the planned and deliberate destruction of U.S. – and it will only be by the grace of God that this doesn’t happen.
Should Hillary Clinton be elected, we can anticipate even greater erosion of the rights of U.S. citizens.
Just 2 comments. In regards to the Queensland issue where they legislated how motorcycle groups could dress, you might be surprised to learn that many school districts in America especially in major cities forbid the wearing of clothing displaying gang colors and go further by requiring a school uniform in an effort to stop gang violence and bullying. There is a penalty enforced for violators. Obviously that doesn’t violate anyone’s rights or courts would have forced schools to change their dress code policies long ago.
And second, I’ve seen the 1940 Japanese story posted several times here about them not attacking us because of all the privately owned guns in America. That is no longer a valid story to justify hand gun ownership as 9/11 proves that foreign enemies are no longer afraid to attack us on our own soil. I fear more is to come in the near future and large numbers of privately owned hand guns will not deter it.
Hey Dave…..I mostly agree with your posts, and this one is really good as well…..I have just one question….where in the speech from Obama stated “we must understand that civilized societies do not need to be armed” I listened to that speech and did not hear that….I even went back and read the speech and did not see that. If you are interpreting what he meant…I think you should be careful…many times we try to interpret the bible to fit what we believe…and I think it gets us in trouble. I believe in our right to defend ourselves but I also am in favor of background checks and no loop holes. Thanks for always giving us something to think about! May you be blessed in your ministry! (by the way…I have all of your books and recommend you to everyone I know!) Sue
If Jesus was so against violence, why was Peter allowed to wear a sword? Perhaps all the apostles wore such weapons regularly–there’s nothing in Scripture to prove otherwise. Considering the times, it would be foolhardy for a man or even a small group of men to go about at night unarmed…
As a knife could accomplish almost every routine cutting chore, what use was a sword in those times except for protection?
Jesus was warning Peter that unsheathing and using his sword under the circumstances would lead to a massacre of the apostles, as they were outnumbered.
I happen to agree with you. I plan to write a book on the subject of pacifism and self defense from the Christian point of view.
PM
Walter Wink, 1935-2012 wrote some amazing books. I guess one of the best was the “Powers” trilogy”.
Of the ones below I read the first and it most definitely altered my outlook on this subject.
jfyi
Jesus and Nonviolence: A Third Way, Augsburg Fortress
Peace Is The Way: Writings on Nonviolence from the Fellowship of Reconciliation
Keep up the GREAT work you are doing.
Thank you!