Will Trump Play the Pence Card?
Over the last month, I’ve provided a number of possible paths for President Trump to be re-elected. This article will explain the simplest, most direct, constitutional path to the President’s re-election and the reasons why some paths are, in my opinion, less viable.
Opinions vary on if, and how President Trump might pull off a win when the electoral college votes are read in the joint session of Congress on January 6th. Differences of opinion are generally based on which statutes are accepted as authoritative and which legal precedents are cited. The likely behavior of certain individuals has not been given much consideration by political pundits, but the behavior of certain people makes some paths less likely to succeed.
Some people hope that a court will issue a favorable ruling that decertifies the electoral votes of certain states or overturns the results of an election. While these pursuits are noble, judges appear to be unwilling to take action on them. In the end, I doubt the courts will play a major role in the outcome of this election.
Efforts are underway to pressure state legislators to reverse the actions of governors who certified electors following illegal or fraudulent elections. There is certainly evidence of election fraud and some states violated state or federal law (or the constitution) in the way they administered their elections. State legislators should take action, but it is unknown if they will, and those who are trying to are opposed by people who are trying to run out the clock. I don’t think we can depend on state legislators to make an impact on the final outcome.
Some believe the best chance for the President to be re-elected is to have members of the House and the Senate object to the votes of electors on January 6th. The electoral count act (3 U.S. Code § 15) makes provision for this. Once an objection to a state’s electoral vote is made and seconded, the House and Senate separately debate the objection, and a vote to either sustain or overrule the objection is taken in each chamber.
To sustain an objection in the Senate, nearly every Republican must vote in favor of it, including never-Trumpers like Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski. Only a couple of Senators have so far expressed interest in considering objections to electors. I doubt that an objection would be sustained in the Senate. And as hard as it will be in the Senate, it will be more difficult in the House due to the Democrat majority. While I think that encouraging Senators and Representatives to object to electors is a goal worth pursuing, but I’m not convinced that approach will succeed. There is also an effort underway to pressure members of Congress to hold hearings on election fraud, but there seems to be little interest on the part of congressional leaders.
Any of the above tactics could be successful, but I think the odds of any of them succeeding are small, because of the predictable behavior of the individuals involved.
Donald Trump knows that the decision-makers in these efforts are pitted against him. Do you think he would trust his presidency and the fate of the nation to people that he knows are working against him?
I think not.
I think, rather than putting his fate in the hands of people he can’t depend on, he would maintain control of the process to the greatest degree possible.
An important election precedent was set in the 1960 Presidential race between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon. In a close race in the state of Hawaii, Nixon was declared the winner. In order to meet the “safe harbor” deadline of Dec 13th, Hawaii’s Governor signed a certificate of ascertainment for Nixon’s electors.
Hawaii’s popular vote was disputed, and a judge ordered a recount. On the day when electors had to cast their votes (Dec 19th), Kennedy had taken the lead, but the final tally was weeks away. Because the outcome was not settled, electors for both Nixon and Kennedy met in the capitol that day and cast their votes.
On December 28th, the recount was finished, and Kennedy was declared the winner in Hawaii. The governor sent a revised certificate of ascertainment dated January 4th, 1961, just two days before Congress met to count the votes.
In the rare case when a state submits two slates of electors, the Electoral Count Act provides guidance on how to determine which slate should be accepted. The process provided is confusing and contradictory. Depending on how you interpret the instructions, several options are available.
During the 1960 election, Richard Nixon as Vice-President presided over the count in Congress. Here is how he resolved the dispute (source):
In order not to delay the further count of the electoral vote here, the Chair, without the intent of establishing a precedent, suggests that the electors named in the certificate of the Governor of Hawaii dated January 4, 1961, be considered as the lawful electors from the State of Hawaii. If there be no objection in this joint convention, the Chair will instruct the tellers-and he now does-to count the votes of those electors named in the certificate of the Governor of Hawaii dated January 4, 1961-those votes having been cast for John F. Kennedy, of Massachusetts, for President and Lyndon B. Johnson, of Texas, for Vice President.
Nixon made a unilateral decision to disqualify his own elector’s votes while submitting only the votes for Kennedy. This was done, despite the fact that his electors were the only ones with a certificate that met the safe-harbor deadline. Nixon said he did not intend to establish a precedent, nevertheless, he did establish one. In doing so, he demonstrated the authority exercised by the officer who presides over a joint session of Congress as they count the votes of the electoral college. Some argue that the Vice-President has limited authority over the vote-counting process, but he has the power to make discretionary decisions regarding procedural rules, as Nixon demonstrated.
This year, no less than five, and by some accounts, as many as seven states have submitted two slates of electors. Although the media insist that only Biden electors are valid for these states, the Electoral Count Act says:
…all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened.
Even if a certificate from an elector was not certified by the state’s governor, it is supposed to be considered.
Vice-President Mike Pence will preside over the vote count in Congress on January 6th. He has received intelligence briefings on election fraud and interference that members of Congress haven’t. He must decide which, if any, votes from disputed states will be rejected. A number of states violated the law in the manner in which they conducted their elections. In some states, fraud was committed. Pence has more detailed information on these matters than anyone involved in the process. He could reject the electoral votes—both those for Biden and those for Trump—based on his knowledge of fraud and interference.
For example, Pence could reject all electors from the states of Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin. If he did, the resulting electoral vote count would be 227 votes for Joe Biden and 232 for Donald Trump. There is no provision in the Electoral Count Act (or any other law) stating that the number of votes needed to win (270) must be reduced if some votes are rejected. Pence could declare Trump the winner by a simple majority of the votes that were counted.
Let’s look at a second scenario. If Pence did not feel he had a strong enough reason for disqualifying the votes of Arizona and Nevada, he could reject the votes of all electors from Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania on the grounds that these four states expanded vote by mail in contravention of state and federal law. The rejection of votes from those four states would leave Biden with more votes than Trump (244-232), but both candidates would fall short of the 270 votes needed to win.
Because there is no rule indicating that the number of votes needed to win changes if some votes are disqualified, Pence could declare that both candidates would still need 270 votes to win. He could determine that since the 270 vote requirement was not met, a continent election must be held as prescribed by the 12th amendment.
In a contingent election, the House of Representatives would immediately take a vote to decide the next President. The vote in the House is one vote per state delegation. On January 6th, Republicans will hold a 26-21 state delegation majority over Democrats with three states tied.
The Senate would hold a vote to decide the next Vice-President. Republicans hold a 50-46 majority in the Senate with 2 seats controlled by third parties and 2 seats in Georgia on the ballot January 5th, the day before the electoral votes are counted.
In the contingent election, if the House voted along party lines, Trump would be re-elected. In the Senate, if Republicans maintained their majority, and if they voted along party lines, Pence would be re-elected.
These two scenarios put the outcome of the election in control of Trump and Pence to the greatest degree possible while minimizing the roles played by unpredictable people. This approach is constitutionally defensible, and there is historical precedent to support it. If I was President Trump, this is the path I would take.
There are concerns over what Trump’s opponents in Congress are likely to do. For that reason, the safest strategy is to avoid asking them to do anything risky. The risk to never-Trumpers is eliminated if Pence disqualifies electors from several states and either declares Trump the winner by a simple majority (scenario 1 above) or triggers a continent election (scenario 2). In the first scenario, never-Trumpers play no part. In the second, they would simply go along with the process Pence chose and blame him for the outcome.
Democrats would object if this were to happen. The only remedy available would be a lawsuit contesting the process. We’ve already seen how little interest the courts have in hearing election-related cases. Democrats might be angry, but they would have to live with the outcome.
There would likely be civil unrest if something like this were to happen, but regardless of which candidate wins, there are going to be unhappy people. If rioting got out of hand, I would expect Trump to mobilize the national guard to bring it under control.
I think all efforts should continue to get state legislators to rescind illegitimate electors. Attorneys should continue asking the courts for constitutional remedies. Members of Congress should be pressured to oppose electors from states that violated the law and hearings should be held to expose election fraud and interference. We don’t know which route will prove to be the most effective and I do not wish to discourage these efforts. The purpose of this article is to suggest that perhaps a plan is in place that hasn’t been made public—one that keeps much of the process under the President’s control.
p.s. Ivan Raiklin has suggested that today (December 23rd) is an important day for Vice-President Pence to take action. 3 U.S. Code § 12 says that if by the fourth Wednesday in December, the President of the Senate (Pence) has not received certificates of votes, he must contact states to receive them. I believe he has already received them. Whether he considers them to be valid is a matter to be decided on January 6th. I don’t think anything more is required of Pence between now and then, and I don’t think inaction on his part should be interpreted as indifference to the process.
But Biden isn’t Biden! Biden was swapped out in August 2017 as far as I can tell by watching hundreds of YT videos. The current double has no right ear lobe. I believe that the white hats control him.
From what I can gather, Biden will concede before the end of December: probably in the next couple of days, and Trump addresses the nation and drops some truth bombs. He gets formally re-elected on the 6th, which is what the party in Washington is for.
A concession from Biden is the scenario, which is least likely to create civil unrest.
I have every confidence our prayers will be answered & the deep state goes back to hell with satan~! There is “no doubt” the Pontiff “will resign in 2020” is a very good sign~!
Biden Concede ??? Now that’s a REAL Crazy Conspiracy !
Haha… and the earth is flat.
Bear in mind, too, that “Pence” isn’t the original Pence. There are many body doubles taking the place of major players in the game. Also, some celebrities who, you think, are dead, are not dead. Trump is a chess player, moving pieces. “Enjoy the show!”
The left has consistently been playing checkers while DJT is playing 3-D chess in his head.
Hi PM,
Very thoughtful and concise. I didn’t think you had any experience as a lawyer?!? Haha. I mean that in a respectful way.
Thanks to God for your sound minded synopsis. AA
The HUGE Improbability that Biden won the presidency!!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/2020-election-investigation-who-is-stealing-america_3617562.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=promotion&utm_campaign=EET1216&utm_term=1for4M-ElectionDocumentary&utm_content=video
Trump is SOOOO Pissed Off what the Dems have foisted on him last 4 Years HE SHOULD Go Nuclear on Them. There are FAR MORE Trumpers than Dem Anti-Fa’s. Plus, the Military will exorcise Anti-Fas to Prison somewhere anyway.
If ‘Q’ is Real… And has ‘Everything’ as is Claimed, Then Trump should Release as much Damning evidence ASAP to secure his re-election.
Even Pompaio claimed as much weeks ago.
Is Praying Medic doing Q decodes anywhere anymore? He’s not on YT where I used to watch him…
They are here on my website. Q has not posted in 4 weeks.
“Democrats would object if this were to happen. The only remedy available would be a lawsuit contesting the process. We’ve already seen how little interest the courts have in hearing election-related cases.”
I don’t trust the SC to NOT takes the case and rule in favor of the Dems given how they behaved with the Texas case.
I cannot agree with you more. I no longer have a lot of confidence in SCOTUS or government in general.
I have to agree! It is so obvious at this point that the corruption in government is so deep and wide that very little should surprise us now! I just wish the general citizenry knew all of this. The false media is blocking all truth; how will that be overcome? I don’t think there is much substance to Pence; therefore, he may be easily persuaded or manipulated. I am just not certain of his loyalty.
And remember, Pence is not Pence, but a double (or clone?) Or maybe, he’s been turned into an MK-Utra zombie!!! . . . Who knows what he will do next (or not)?
9/11/2001 was not done by O.B.L. or his followers… The I.C. of our USA knows the biggest lies that have been told to the world… 911 was a FF (not a surprise attack)… Top usa Leadership were complicit… Inside job… so 19 years of War… Millions of lives Harmed… Many 10’s of Trillions of our $ ALL Based on LIES!!!!! Note 3 high rise steel frame buildings fell at free fall speed directly through path of greatest resistance ALL the way to the ground / into their foot print BUT only 2 of those buildings were Hit by planes (does 3=2)… No 2 does Not = 3. Our military was set up on the day of 9/11 (cavemen from the middle east did Not setup our military to fail on the day of 9/11)… 8/6/01 PDB detailed what happened on 9/11… patterns of activity for multiple jet hijackings in the USA… Yet top USA leadership claimed “there was NO SPECIFIC threat”… All lies…why did top USA leadership claim they did not know this was coming… Wrong, because the I. C. Knew of the threat & those at the top were in the Loop… Top USA leadership were complicit in making 9/11 happen. Which means the 19 year war on Terror is based on Lies ( USA leadership were the murders… Lock them up!!!)
I think the Pence Card is all that remains.
It is an absolute necessity to prosecute and convict the criminals. Several years of treasonous activity without consequence has emboldened the left. They didn’t pay for *Trump Russia*, *Ukraine Whistleblower*, – in no case has a bad actor faced a jury or tribunal.
This is what is necessary to save the republic – the impunity of the enemy is intolerable and will result in vigilantism.
This cannot go without recourse. The Civil War people fret about is avoidable – but some serious criminals need to face their deserved sentence. Lacking Justice, we step down from Soap Box and Ballot Box and open the Ammo Box.
That’s an America I do not want to see. I served in the US Navy 8 years in the Nuclear Power Program.
There are 21 M veterans sworn to uphold and defend. 3% could rightly be called zealous defenders. Impassioned servants to the republic. That’s 630,000 *bad* mofos, you do not want raging in the streets. Trust me.
Amen sir! Time to open the ammo box, the other two have not been effective enough. We will not allow the overthrow of our duly elected president.
semper fi Start at the House of reps and then the senate. Then move the capital to Kansas and the swamp will dry up. End the federal swamp and each state can do the same. We do not need the federal govt. involved in housing , education etc.., just provide for defense and interstate commerce.
A complete outlier, Dave.
Perhaps Pence is already in possession of a confession from Biden about the fraud and that makes his position as President of the Senate pretty well unassailable (it was anyway).
Trump has been so cool and confident as we know, that he had multiple paths open.
No one could ever cover up a fraud of this size – but that was not what the game was about. It was the awakening of people’s minds that such bad could ever happen.
In such ways could Biden use plausible deniability in saying that he didn’t need people’s votes and that they had created ‘a perfect fraud’… etc.
I really appreciate your taking the time to lay this out logically and soberly. I am hopeful the President will consider what you’ve suggested, because I have little confidence in some of the counsel he’s currently receiving. You have no agenda- and you are a patriot. Two very compelling reasons he should listen and consider your plan carefully.
Thank-you for all you do…
Merry Christmas and God Bless
GraMJ59, I completely agree with you.
I have contacted my Senators in Texas, John Cornyn and Ted Cruz asking them to contest the electors from the “swing states” where proven and blatant election fraud occurred. Senator Cornyn responded that he is looking forward to a peaceful transition and a new President in January. Senator Cruz has not replied to me, but I have heard that he will not contest the electors from these states either. My “representatives” are not interested in representing me nor the others in my state who believe the election was stolen. It is my fear that many Congressmen will not vote party lines and will side with the Democrats in favor of Biden. I pray that is not so!
Perhaps Cruz is still pissed off he didn’t beat Trump when trying to get the POTUS nomination? This will be his revenge time? But do they realise the Country will fall (and the world) to communists so he will not have a future candidacy as a POTUS nominee for the party. The USA will be lost if Trump doesn’t get re-elected because he will get everyone in prison this term as he drains the swamp. He is watching who is on his side and who isn’t during this time period. WWG1WGA.
Cruz seemed to be such a poor loser when he didn’t win the nomination! When I saw him on the news during this debacle, I doubted his sincerity completely. I think term limits would put an end to much of the corruption! It’s the career politicians that cause the most trouble in our government overall.
Not just politicians need “term” limits. The bureaucrats that stay in government for decades, only moving from position to position, are even more of a problem. POTUS recently made it possible to fire non-elected policymakers, but is that enough? Perhaps no one should be able to make “civil service” a career.
My take on term limits is that it is a band aid approach. In addition, if we can eliminate the deep state (which is what Joe McCarthy was attempting to do), we could trust those who were working behind the scenes… AJM
Cornyn is a sorry puke POS and always has been. I always vote against him. Makes me wonder if he didn’t have dominion flipping votes for him. And I’m very disappointed in Cruz so far, too. I intend to give them both a good cussing as soon as I can.
Thank you! I have read your articles and watched your videos on this subject; your research, your interviews and your summaries are thorough. I share with friends who eagerly receive and appreciate them.
I really appreciate all the information. Our mainstream media does not tell the truth and social media is banning anything that does not fit their agenda. This country is under attack and people are not realizing it. It seems like they have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. Please keep up the fight for America, we all do but regular people have rough time because every time we try to share the real news it gets banned. God Bless You & Yours and have a Happy & Holy Christmas Season PS I would really enjoy if you could send me your podcasts on my email . Thank you for your consideration
PM. does your electoral college math take into account that Trump won one of four electoral votes in Maine??
Thank you for this wonderful discussion. I agree with it. I will point out two extra points that may be of interest.
First, one commentator, Ren Jander, has pointed out in this article ( https://www.thepostemail.com/2020/11/18/elections-undecided-by-midnight-are-void-9-0-decision/ ) that 3 U.S.C 1 says, “Time of appointing electors. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.”
And 3 U.S.C. 2 says “Failure to make choice on prescribed day. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.”
This year that date was November 3, 2020. Jander says Pence should rule that because the 6 states of PA, GA, MI, AZ, WI, and NV did not complete the selection of their electors on November 3, they failed to appoint electors according to the statute. Therefore Scenario 1 in the article applies.
I see this as another legal argument about why the 6 states in question have not appointed electors in addition to the Article II argument that the elections in those states were not conducted in the manner in which the legislature via statute had directed.
Second, I think Scenario 2 is on shaky ground because the Twelfth Amendment says that it is the majority of the “whole number of Electors APPOINTED” that determines the winner. Scenario 1 rightly counts only those elector votes that were appointed. But Scenario 2 acts like the electors were appointed, but does not use them in the majority calculation. I would NOT advise Vice President Pence to try Scenario 2. Rather he should try scenario 2 and list BOTH the failure to select statutory argument AND the Article II “not conducted in the manner the state legislature directed” argument for excluding PA, GA, MI, AZ, WI, and NV.
I see no reason for him NOT to go ahead and announce that between now and January 6 to give the state legislatures in the states in question a chance to act. The only way Trump loses in that scenario is if Nevada appoints Biden electors and the other states do not appoint Trump electors.
Just remember Pence sitting in luxury box with the Bushes. Trump os on Island by himself. Only hope is Bushes AG Barr mistakenly appointed a patriot in Rosen. I highly doubt any scenario will unseat scumball Biden.
Hunter might be appointed Drug Czar and Chairman of Girl Scouts in this corrupt war mongering nation of spineless backstabbers.
Rosen is a rotten CFR.
Maybe now isn’t the time to be looking for that cloud at the horizon about the size of a man’s hand.
No, I haven’t given up praying or trusting God. I’ve given up trying to forecast God’s hand in this election
Herbert Ninginger, you said, “I’ve given up trying to forecast God’s hand in this election.” Interesting. Sometimes things are just that unclear. I feel the same way about this election and will share two of the main reasons why:
1.) God Told Me: Sometime around September or October 2016, God told me on two different occasions that Trump was His man for office and that Trump would win. It came very clearly and there was not a shadow of doubt. (He also led me to read Isaiah 45 about King Cyrus. This chapter was given to me directly from God. I did not swim into it because other people were talking about the prophetic symbolism of Trump, Cyrus, and the number 45.) Trump is the only president God ever talked to me about. It seemed apparent to me that God actually ‘liked’ Trump. But this election, I heard nothing. That doesn’t mean Trump isn’t God’s man as I don’t expect God to tell me such things. But it is, certainly, worth considering.
2.) Idolatry vs. Jesus: It’s not terribly difficult to see that Trump has ‘made America great again’. But sometimes God uses blessings to test His people. Jesus said to deny self, take up the cross, and follow Him. Throughout especially Israel’s biblical history, most clearly-see in the Book of Judges due to the constant repetition, we see plainly that the more comforted God’s people are, the less likely and willing they are to obey God. (This applies to everyone, not just God’s people, according to the principle that “a body in motion stays in motion (obedience), and a body at rest stays at rest (comfort)”. If Trump is reelected, it is good for the country, yes… but is it good for christians? Idolatry is the service of anything above or alongside of God. Trump brings plenty of money and blessings. Will American christians turn to God while Trump is ‘shedding his Grace on us’? The answer is no. God’s people always returned to and obeyed God when they were persecuted and in hard circumstances. Even the apostles and the early Church abandoned Jesus’s command to “go into all the world” but rather remained in Jerusalem until Stephen was stoned and persecution broke out against the Church; THEN they obeyed. You can see this same pattern from OT to NT which means it is human nature and is deeply embedded even in the best of Christians. Trump would bring blessings; Biden would bring hardship; but hardship turns christians into Christians which has always been God’s intention. I believe God is more concerned with turning christians back to Him than with ‘making America great again’. And because of that, He MIGHT just want Biden in office for these next four more years. It’s worth considering.
I believe you are correct about Christians, resting on their laurals, but there are millions who are good people, but totally deluded by media. Because I know that God wishes all to be saved, therefore I believe Trump must be returned to office, in order to bring to light for real, for all to see all the corruption that those of us who are awake can see, and they can’t. I believe God will bring this to light in order to give good people a chance to choose good over the evil. Then and only then will he finish He work here. As Christians our work will be intensifying, and the end is not far away.
Bards of War came to a quite contrary opinion. He thinks Pence is a Deep State Traitor. Who arranged the Meeting between Gen Flynn and the FBI? Wild speculations abound. Somebody may end up being right. God knows.
What a wonderful explanation, thank you so much. I loved what you had to say, but I fear you underestimate the corruption of the democrats and the deep state. I doubt they will slink off quietly in the night and I’m confident they are fully willing to play more dirty tricks. I hope they don’t/won’t but fear they will.
At this juncture, I don’t care how Trump pulls off the win, so long as he wins, I’m all in.
If our prayers are answered and he wins, I think it is imperative he turns his own Kraken loose on everyone who conspired to break the law in the election. None of these guilty parties should be spared. If the trail leads all the way to Obama (and I think it will) he must face serious consequences as well. If this is not done, we will see ever more repeats of this years election which in themselves will destroy our Republic. But the little people, like the ones who voted in two states also need to be punished with some jail time. I have no sympathy for any of them.
As soon as I knew that Obama was staying in Washington, I knew he was up to further no good! He has a “foundation” for what? More corruption and the destruction of America, in my opinion. Do a search on “False Flag Alert: Obama Foundation tweeted about George Floyd a week before his… supposed murder.” That incident is what kicked off the violence and “peaceful demonstrations” staged by BLM around the country in the first place. Twitter supposedly hid the tweet because it couldn’t be deleted.
1. Pence lied about General Flynn lying to FBI, directly enabling Flynn’s persecution by the DOJ.
2. “Pro-Life” Pence promoted vaccine made from cells of aborted fetus, praising Fauci, Birx, and Redfield.
3. Pence’s protégé from Indiana, Dr. Jerome Adams, should be promoting Vitamin D3 as C19 prevention, especially for minorities whose Vitamin D deficiency might be direct cause of immune problems. Also Adams, as Surgeon General and a supposedly trained physician, should have done his own research on C19 treatment and fought against BigPharma puppets in government and academic establishment.
4. Pence himself should have had MI do background checks on Fauci, Birx, Redfield, FDA, NIH, NEJM, etc. and not sit by idly as head of C19 Task force allowing unscientific lockdowns and lockup’s of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and Public Health Truth about disease. Rats should have been fired in April when they prolonged the nationwide fear campaign. Task Force probably caused at least 150k deaths, IMO, but I’m just a nobody MD who has kept children with viruses out of the hospital. Why didn’t Pence consult with Dr. Zelenko and other clinicians with great track records? At best, Pence incapable of thinking out of his little box on the Hillside. IMO.
5. Many claim that Pence’s wooden silence is some form of Christianity. I’m not buying that argument. I think Chris Miller did a poor acting job when he said Pence was a “mentor.” From behind his Black mask, Pence raised his eyebrows in shock. (ICYMI, this was at Space Force gathering on Saturday.) Miller made two shooting pistol signs while praising Pence, I put in a ticket to Body Language Ghost to analyze that entire interaction, plus Pence taking vaccine and praising demons.
6. So I don’t buy that Pence part of 4D Chess Kabuki Theater, hope he proves me wrong.
Merry Christmas to Denise and you and your entire team!
I am a Hoosier and have met Mike and Karen Pence and always loved and supported them. But what you say has merit, Dr. Nancy. I hope he proves you wrong, too, but there have been leaks from day 1, and not many others have been around since then.
Great observations, much of this I was not aware of. Watching Trump play Chess again checkers, I’m keeping the faith!
I’m from Indiana too and have always had reservations about VP Pence for this reason. My adult daughters and I participated in public comments before Pence when we were fighting the implementation of the Indiana State Ed Standards – a slickly repackaged version of Common Core. Parents, grandparents, teachers came out in huge numbers and spoke passionately about the dangers hidden within these standards. After public comments were done, a few 30-something, smartly dressed “experts” from California started their slick presentation on how awesome these standards were. When it was over, the powers voted with Pence presiding and the new standards passed- it was clear to everyone there the passage was a foregone conclusion – it was a complete waste of time, passion and energy on the part of those stupidly thinking our opinions mattered. He still brags on about how Indiana “ditched Common Core” when actually they had just added a few things and renamed it “Indiana State Standards.”
We’ve never forgotten that. Since then, Betsy Devos as EdSec working with Pence continued to hoodwink American parents by pushing a top-heavy standards approach while disguising it as “a school choice.” To this day, the only way you can escape the long arm of government in influencing your child’s education is to choose a school that takes absolutely NO federal $, even if only the lunch program. Because of Pence, education advocates around the country could never get the President’s ear on these issues.
I really want to trust the VP, but my gut always tells me to trust, but verify.
I had never even heard the name Mike Pence until Trump selected him as his running mate. He is one of the most humble men I’ve ever observed. I do not believe him to be this crafty, secretive turncoat, that some believe. I believe him to be truly born again, a true believer. What many fail to understand is that even Christians can be led astray. They can be deceived and ignorant of many truths. After I learned the truth about vaccines approximately twenty years ago, I haven’t allowed another one into my body since then. But Pence just took the vaccine. Does this make him a turncoat or a Judas? Not at all. He is just ignorant. He just hasn’t arrived to that level of truth.
Very well said… I do agree!!!
I would like to remind everyone regarding several things that Q has said over the course of time. “You are watching a movie”, “Enjoy the show”, “Nothing can stop what is coming”. Trump has played golf during this process. Would he do so if he was worried? After all, his life and that of his entire family hang in the balance if Biden were to take the oath of office on 1/20. I agree that Trump would not trust the courts, the legislature or anyone to ensure his victory. Remember, he allowed the crime to be committed. No one in their right mind would allow that if they thought it would result in Biden taking office.
The Art of War says to make your plans as dark as night; to appear weak when you are strong. This entire operation would not proceed for years just to see everything go for naught at the crucial moment. This is where faith comes in. Q has quoted Ephesians 6: 10-18 on many occasions (put on the full armor of God). We are in a spiritual war just as much as a cyber war with the cabal. God is in complete control of what happens. Timing is everything. Q has been silent, with a few exceptions, for the better part of a month. Things are happening that we cannot see yet. The solstice occurred a few days ago, meaning we are now going from “dark to light”.
Unless you believe that Q was a LARP, there is a plan and it is being carried out with military precision. We will know in a few weeks whether my faith in Q was misplaced; however, I am convinced it is not. WWG1WGA. God wins.
SO TRUE, and well-said.
I am so glad I found this site tonight. Giving me so much needed encouragement. I have not given up in the least, but my friends and family have and they are starting to think I’m a bit nuts!
Well stated, JL. S/F, CFK
Good evening, Praying Medic. Thank you so much for blessing us with this information. I have seen two of your videos and was very grateful, because there is so much misinformation out there, that it’s difficult to ascertain the validity of their claims. You go to great detail in explaining this arcane process and present it in a very logical manner. Last night, I saw your video featuring Mr. Ivan Raiklin. It was great! I do have one quick question for you, if you can be so kind to answer: If I am understanding your analysis correctly, are you saying that even if V.P. Pence, for instance, doesn’t send a “Demand Letter,” on December 23rd, to State Governors and State Secretaries of State, requesting they remit a “non-fraudulent” slate of electoral votes on or before Jan. 5th or 6th, that Mike Pence will still have the discretion to either accept or reject the slate of electoral votes from the troubled battleground states, where fraud, voter irregularities and/or chicanery took place? Thank you for consideration in answering this question.
God Speed,
David Henriquez
That is correct.
This article is a wonderful statement of the legal options available to Pence. I agree with it, but point out two extra points that may be of interest.
First, one commentator, Ren Jander, has pointed out in this article ( https://www.thepostemail.com/2020/11/18/elections-undecided-by-midnight-are-void-9-0-decision/ ) that 3 U.S.C 1 says, “Time of appointing electors. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.”
And 3 U.S.C. 2 says “Failure to make choice on prescribed day. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.”
This year that date was November 3, 2020.
Jander says Pence should rule that because the 6 states of PA, GA, MI, AZ, WI, and NV did not complete the selection of their electors on November 3, they failed to appoint electors according to the statute. Therefore Scenario 1 in the article applies.
I see this as another legal argument about why the 6 states in question have not appointed electors in addition to the Article II argument that the elections in those states were not conducted in the manner in which the legislature via statute had directed.
Second, I think Scenario 2 is on shaky ground because the Twelfth Amendment says that it is the majority of the “whole number of Electors APPOINTED” that determines the winner. Scenario 1 rightly counts only those elector votes that were appointed. But Scenario 2 acts like the electors were appointed, but does not use them in the majority calculation. I would NOT advise Vice President Pence to try Scenario 2. Rather he should try scenario 2 and list BOTH the failure to select statutory argument AND the Article II “not conducted in the manner the state legislature directed” argument for excluding PA, GA, MI, AZ, WI, and NV.
I see no reason for VP Pence NOT to go ahead and announce that between now and January 6 to give the state legislatures in the states in question a chance to act. The only way Trump loses in that scenario is if Nevada appoints Biden electors and the other states do not appoint Trump electors.
This is the same argument that Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch made. I agree. The vote should have ended at midnight on November 3rd. We have violated the Constitution every step of the way. This is not about upholding the Constitution. It’s about returning to it. We drifted away from it long ago.
I just have a gut feeling that Pence is going to be a turncoat or Judas!!! I have a bad feeling about that man. The fact being he did nothing about the sex trafficking in Georgia!!!! He also got an envelope at the Bush funeral. Don’t know what that means but doesn’t look good!!!!
Mike Pence didn’t receive a note from President Trump. It was his wife who received it.
I meant to say that “Rather he (VP Pence) should try scenario 1 and list BOTH the failure to select AND the Article II argument.
My main thought is simply, Lord have mercy on us all!
Amen and totally agree! Praying for the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! King of Kings and Lord of Lords….
With all of the people around Trump who seem to have betrayed him, I pray that Pence isn’t one of them.
I pray Q is both real and correct. I can’t believe we have come this far only to lose. If we do lose we should watch the skies for Christ’s coming for his church called the Rapture.
I’m sorry but every one of your scenarios seem to be based on “normal” behavior which seems to be a BIG assumption. You should run those probable programs again but switch the assumed responses of Congress, courts, angry Trump voters to opposite of assumed or historical and see where we end up. The only thing Q promised was that God wins. Q did not promise when this would happen.
And Pence is one of the many put in place years ago to ensure President Trump would not see a second term.
We The People Are About To Take Back The Country, THE CURE Will Spread WW
https://x22report.com/aiovg_videos/ep-2360b-we-the-people-are-about-to-take-back-the-country-the-cure-will-spread-ww/
3 USC 1, Chapter 5:
“If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.”
In those states where the election is (and continues to be) contested fails to meet the provisions of 3 USC 1 Chapter 5. The VALID (i.e. legal) appointment of electors in any state must be preceeded by the resolution of any controversy or contest at least SIX DAYS prior to the time of the meeting(s) of said electors. States (MI, WI, PA, GA, AZ) have not met the provisions of 3 USC 1 in their determination/certification of electors. Further, the same states conducted their elections in violation of their own state laws and constitutions. These facts are not in dispute. The President of the Senate will (with the benefit of Nixon setting the precedent) have the opportunity to disqualify electors from those states that failed to comply with 3 USC 1, and he, the President of the Senate, can charge the House and Senate members to reconcile these two non-compliances during the “two hour” debates in their respective chambers. The House and Senate can only return votes to accept the electors being challenged if and only if both Houses can reconcile the states’ failures to comply with 3 USC 1 Chapter 5, AND their own respective State laws and Constitutions. When (not if) the objections are raised in joint session, the Presiding officer (Pence) damn well better charge both chambers with the tasks of reconciling these violations of Federal and State law in their “assenting” vote (if so given).
AND….. any House or Senate member who votes to accept Electors chosen in violation of State and Federal law need to be held in contempt and face impeachment for violating his/her oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. A vote to accept illegal conduct by any state legislature makes that House or Senate member an accessory to the criminal (Federal) act.
Thank you Dave for being the level headed one. You help keep many of us on course.
Thank you, that information helped! Merry Christmas and I pray for an awakening around the globe, this New Year, God Bless!
I believe that here are numerous problems with Scenarios 1 and 2:
A. A bit of history first. Just like this time, Republican rank-and-file, Senators such as Dirksen and Goldwater (surprise, surprise!), and the right-wing press claimed that the election of 1960 was fraudulent and Nixon won the popular vote. Same arguments as today were advanced in support of this: in Illinois, Kennedy’s margin was a meager 0.2%, and Nixon carried 92 of 101 counties, just like Trump carried a vast majority of ALL US counties. Kennedy’s victory was enabled by the vote influx from Chicago and Cook County – mainly Black and Catholic voters. To this day scholars speculate that Giancana and the Chicago crime syndicate pumped in “dead” voters late in the game, and Mayor Daley purposefully delayed the city’s results until the “spike”on November 9, a day after the Election Day.
In Texas, Kennedy had a 10-fold larger margin compared to Illinois (2%). Many Republicans argued that Johnson stole tons of votes in Duval County and other Rio Grande Valley areas. It is almost certain that Texas Dem machine manufactured a significant number of forged votes, but the numbers were so jumbled that it was practically impossible do a meaningful recount let alone to prove fraud. How do you think Johnson ended up being a VP? And, just like this time Republicans tried and tried to challenge the results in Missouri, Illinois, Texas, and especially New Jersey where again the majority of Catholic precincts inflated Kennedy yield. All in all, Republicans kept the results from 11 states in the courts all the way into mid-1961. Nothing happened. The bottom line is: Just like now, the courts hate getting into squabbles about the elections unless the margins are so small that no authorities even agree who won (as in Bush v. Gore, 2000).
B. So, is it truly a lost cause in the courts, including SCOTUS? What CAN the courts do, and what have they done in the past? Well, in 1977 Foster v. Love they tackled the issue of a State enacting a statute to introduce primaries in October with the run-off elections on federal Election Day. If there was a winner in October, there was to be no run-off. SCOTUS struck the this statute, since it was preempted by 3 U.S.C. § 1 (unanimous, 9-0 decision). Specifically, they noted that:
“By establishing a particular day as ‘the day’ on which these actions must take place, the statutes simply regulate the time of the election, a matter on which the Constitution explicitly gives Congress the final say. …While true that there is room for argument about just what may constitute the final act of selection within the meaning of the law, our decision does not turn on any nicety in isolating precisely what acts a State must cause to be done on federal election day (and not before it) in order to satisfy the statute. And: “This case thus does not present the question whether a State must always employ the conventional mechanics of an election. We hold today only that if an election does take place, it may not be consummated prior to federal election day.”
As you can see, once again the court didn’t want to go anywhere near the issue of HOW States decide to run elections, as long as it’s all done with on the federal Election Date. None of the current Trump and associates lawsuits allege that any contested state conducted elections prior to November 3rd.
What about “run-offs” AFTER the federal Election Day? The so-called “run-offs” are legal – see 2 U.S.C. § 8/3 – some States can hold elections, or keep the election process going, if there was “a failure to elect”, or to fill pre-existing vacancies. In fact, the notion of “failure to elect” is considered a “vacancy” as a particular situation where the outcome of the vote is not yet available because of the temporal issues inherent in counting and/or tabulating a HUGE number of votes, especially in years with record turnout. So much for the courts.
C. So, what about Scenarios 1 and 2? First of all, the entire scenario is premised on the fact that “He (Pence) has received intelligence briefings on election fraud and interference that members of Congress haven’t. He must decide which, if any, votes from disputed states will be rejected. A number of states violated the law in the manner in which they conducted their elections. In some states, fraud was committed. Pence has more detailed information on these matters than anyone involved in the process. He could reject the electoral votes—both those for Biden and those for Trump—based on his knowledge of fraud and interference.” It’s true that in 1960 “Nixon said he did not intend to establish a precedent, nevertheless, he did establish one. In doing so, he demonstrated the authority exercised by the officer who presides over a joint session of Congress as they count the votes of the electoral college…and has the power to make discretionary decisions regarding procedural rules.” Please note however that he pushed through the Kennedy slate even though the Hawaii recount was finished, and Kennedy was declared the winner on December 28th, way past the Election Day (which was November 8th, 1960), and Hawaii’s Governor sent a revised certificate of ascertainment dated January 4th, 1961. So, Nixon wasn’t concerned about HOW or WHEN the electoral slate was arrived at, only the choice of procedural rules to decide the issue of changes in electoral slates on January 6th.
B. Now, to the issue of what Pence knows or doesn’t know, or to paraphrase Watergate lingo – “What did the Vice-President know, and when did he know it?” One can also add: “Who supplied the Vice-President with the relevant information?”
Let’s look at some the fraud being alleged:
Provisional ballots for absentee voters who are not “incapacitated” to vote in-person.
‘Fixing’ ballots.
Mail-in voter identification unknown.
Postmarks on mail-in ballots faked.
‘Two-tier’ voting system.
Counting of absentee ballots fraudulent.
8,329 absentee and mail-in ballots were not correctly filled out and should not be counted by the Philadelphia County Board of Elections.
Allegheny County Board of Elections decision to count 2,349 mail-in ballots that were signed, but undated.
Mail-in voting expansion illegal.
Access for vote counting.
Challengers not permitted to observe vote processing.
53 ballots questioned as improperly counted.
Sharpie marker use disputed.
In-person ballots rejected.
Vote centers instead of vote precincts.
Ballot verification process questioned.
Later hours for voting locations.
3,000 voters questioned as ineligible.
Ballots trucked-in at night from NY to PA and from LA to GA.
In GA, fraudulent ballots hidden from view opened and counted late at night in the absence of press and partisan observers.
Dominion and Smartmatic systems connected to Internet and results manipulated in Germany among other places.
Dominion and Smartmatic systems rigged in China and Venezuela to switch votes to Biden.
New Mexico secretary of state violated election rules by permitting voters to deposit completed absentee ballots in drop boxes at voting locations instead of personally handing them to the location’s presiding judge.
Statistically impossible spikes for Biden following counting stoppage.
President wins record number of votes and a majority of US counties yet looses both Electoral College and popular vote while all other Republican candidates make significant gains.
Government and private reports on election issues:
Peter Navarro “Immaculate Deception” report highlights six key areas of irregularities in the election in the states of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, as well as Arizona and Nevada. “This was theft by a thousand cuts across six dimensions and six battleground states rather than any one single ‘silver bullet’ election irregularity. …While all six battleground states exhibit most, or all, six dimensions of election irregularities, each state has a unique mix of issues that might be considered ‘most important.’”
Finally, there’s upcoming (presumably) report mandated by the Executive Order 13848 – “Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.” The document targets foreign person’s’ “ability … to interfere in or undermine public confidence in US elections … constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the US.” The document then details the potential measures which could be imposed which include, among others, triggering the president’s authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA, 50 U.S.C. §1701), the blocking of property, restrictions on access to financial institutions, and “any other measures authorized by law.” Some interpret it as the permission for the President to invoke the 1807 Insurrection Act.
Trump campaign, state, and private lawsuits:
Trump campaign lawsuit: Asks for a recount in Dane and Milwaukee counties to overturn election results in Trump’s favor.
Trump campaign lawsuit: Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar illegally extended a deadline for mail-in voters to supply any missing ID requirements from Nov. 9 to Nov. 12.
Trump campaign lawsuit: Seeking to invalidate Montgomery County 600 absentee and mail-in ballots that lacked complete address information.
Five Trump campaign lawsuits: In Philadelphia County asking to throw out more than 8,000 ballots with technical deficiencies, such as missing street addresses or no date next to the signature. In Bucks County, asking to toss out 2,880 ballots argued to be invalid due to late arrival, missing words on the address line, or improperly sealed secrecy envelopes.
Trump campaign and Georgia GOP lawsuit: In Chatham County seeks the order for the county to compile, store and account for all ballots received after the state’s deadline of 7 p.m. on Election Day.
Trump campaign lawsuit: In Fulton County officially contesting the results of the election and requesting a do-over alleging the state’s election code was “disregarded, abandoned, ignored, altered, and otherwise violated,” thereby allowing “a sufficient number of illegal votes to be included.”
Trump campaign lawsuit: Seeks a halt to certification of election results in Michigan based on affidavits from over 100 polls challengers who alleged instances of fraud across the state.
Trump campaign and RNC lawsuit: Votes improperly rejected, potentially thousands of voters across Maricopa County were disenfranchised by systematic improper tabulator overrides.”
Trump campaign and Nevada GOP lawsuit: In Clark County “lax procedures for authenticating mail-in ballots over 3,000 instances of ineligible individuals casting ballots.”
Trump campaign lawsuit: In Wisconsin Supreme Court, alleging poll workers illegally altered ballot envelopes, added missing information on voters’ behalf, counted ballots submitted early without sufficient voter identification or collected ballots at unauthorized locations, claiming more than 200,000 votes were improperly counted.
Trump campaign lawsuit: Disputing broad availability of mail-in voting for the state’s residents, latitude granted because of the risks associated with the coronavirus pandemic.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton asks the court to prevent four battleground states – Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia and Wisconsin – from certifying Biden’s win claiming state officials used the coronavirus pandemic to unconstitutionally change voting rules for the election.
Sidney Powell lawsuit: Election fraud was used to manipulate the vote count “to manufacture an election of Joe Biden”.
L. Lin Wood lawsuit: March court settlement in Georgia altered the state’s voting rules after a lawsuit by the Democrats alleging that details of mail-in ballots and signature matching were disenfranchising minority voters.
And this is a partial list – there are at least 236 lawsuits related to alleged fraud related to pandemic situation. Thus, VP Pence has plenty of reasons to reject certain electoral slates. However… This is a VERY slippery slope, or more precisely a “nuclear option”. Please keep in mind that it will establish a precedent (unlike that of 1960 elections) that will enable either Party to use the President of the Senate (VP) to make specific and/or broad claims of election fraud and essentially serve as a “King-Maker” by selectively rejecting slates to favor the sitting President regarding the outcome of the Electoral College and/or popular vote. Do Republicans want to give the Democrats this option in the future elections? You tell me…
Well we just can’t kick the can down the road otherwise I would advocate rigging elections. the side that rigs them the best wins! There would be no end to it.
I don’t give a tinkers Damn about the next election. If we don’t win this one there will not be another one! Don’t be a fool!
Whenever InfoWars start ridiculing Q, I come here…
Here to wish You & Denise a very Merry Christmas & the Happiest of New Year!!! Thank you for all your dedication and posts the past 4 yrs. You were one of my very first finds as well as such a keeper. I share your page and have brought you many followers as well. Truth is hard to find these days. God Bless!
Thank you. Have a blessed Christmas!
Does any remember when Pen ce was hoisted onto the campaign back in 2015ish? Remember how surprised and upset the campaign was when the MSM just announced him as the pick for v p then just went with it (yes he was on the short list) Remember all the “suicided” of micro-biologists since the late 80’s? The last statement makes sense now, and now the sudden hoisting makes sense too. Played!
PM Merry Christmas to you, Denise and to everyone!
A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Denise.
Thank you for your analysis on what is going on.
Glad you have your own site that makes it possible to bypass the mean stream media and youtube’s censorship antics.
As to Vice-President Michael Pence, there is no doubt in my mind that he is a born again believer.
So why would he take the vaccine if he knew it was laced with the remains of aborted children?
This may have been done in order to prevent the left from insisting he be tested for C-19 virus shortly before Jan 6th and knock him out as President of the joint session of Congress if he tested positive (or was falsely said to be).
Any insistence that he be tested to see if he has the virus is now thwarted.
As to him really taking the vaccine, we really don’t know if it was the real vaccine or some harmless solution that was injected into him. Regardless, the fact is that now the optics are in place to prevent the left from playing another one of their dirty tricks for which they are so well known.
That is something I hadn’t considered- that Pence was chosen as one of the WH staff to be publicly vax’d to foil the globalists (although simply having CCP virus should not, in my view, be an excuse to keep him from doing his duties on 1/6/21)… it has been bothering me that people who know better are publicly vax’d, but in the vid I saw of Pence’s vax, did not actually see the needle go in, it was carefully blocked- as were some others I viewed.
I know very little about Pence & his history, he looks like and says all the right things, yet I always remind myself “For Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light”. I am praying for discernment and guidance to quell my confusion, and PM is so very good at calming and reassuring us, informing and explaining the myriad possibilities.
I also watched a video with four others who, like PM, seem to have more of an “inside track” about POTUS and info from God than I do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPhpPLknmBw&feature=emb_logo
It was said, near the end of the video, that we will have “a December to remember, a January of justice, and celebrations in March”.
So I will do my best to NOT fret, remain faithful and pray for all of those like PM who give us positive messages of hope- including Q, who I have come to believe is not a MIL INTEL, but is actually a divine messenger who is utilizing our current technology to reach us, warn us, and most of all, TEACH us- just as God blessed us with Donald J. Trump for POTUS- a man who would have seemed most unlikely to most to lead this country and the world back to spirituality and faith, yet is doing so.
God bless us all in the coming weeks.
Great information and lots of well-thought-out comments. I want to insert another perspective which runs as a scarlet thread throughout the Bible, from Old Testament to New Testament, which is a dynamic found, among many verses, in this verse:
“He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi and purge hem as gold and silver, that they may offer to the Lord an offering in righteousness” (Malachi 3:3).
Throughout Israel’s biblical history– which is an example for and of the current churches– Israel basically always turned from God when they were doing well or comfortable and always returned to God when they were being persecuted and oppressed by ‘other nations’. It was almost always ‘other nations’ oppressing them and not fellow Israelis. The dynamic that people who are at ease ‘take it easy’ while people with a sense of purpose ‘are fighters’ is found everywhere, even in unheralded truths like Newton’s First Law of Motion which states that “a body at rest will remain at rest unless an outside force acts on it, and a body in motion at a constant velocity will remain in motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.”
God has always sought more than children; He wants mature sons and daughters, and there is very little spiritual maturity without hardship. In America, there is a lot of comfort and ease, so christians cannot reasonably expect to mature without ‘a refining fire’. At this point, I’m convinced that God did not put Trump in office simply to bless America. America has always been blessed. Even the homeless are provided for and feel entitled to be provided for because there is an abundance everywhere. God’s people didn’t grow in the past without persecution and hardship. The early Church didn’t budge from Jerusalem to “go into all the world” though Jesus expressly commanded the apostles to do so. It wasn’t till Stephen was stoned and persecution broke out against the believers that they began to obey Jesus’s commands.
We all know that if Biden becomes president, hardship is sure to follow and persecution will eventually follow. But whether Trump or Biden becomes president, I believe that chaos will ensue one way or another and believe that according to history and what the Bible teaches, God WANTS ‘a storm’ in America for the sake of maturing His people to an obedient people and not a people who are not obedient because they are comforted. We don’t know what Trump meant when he said, “This is the calm before the storm,” but it’s starting to seem apparent to me that the endless attacks against Trump in his first four years will be “the calm” in comparison to “the storm” that is heading our way. I ask everyone to remember the biblical precedent, to acknowledge that Jesus wants ‘a pure bride’ who must endure persecution and affliction (as the Bible states), and to consider that God may be trying to move christians to do things He has been telling them to do for a long time but that they have not been doing (the same way Jesus commanded the apostles to take the gospel to the Gentiles but ten years later had to give Peter the same vision three times in a row in order to remind Peter of Jesus’s original intention for the early Church).
I believe now that part of Trump’s purpose in office was not only to stir up the Deep State Swamp but also to stir up the [still] pond that is the Body Christ and turn it back into the [moving] river that it was always supposed to be. Israel often slacked in obedience to God until ‘an outside nation’ oppressed them and then they became obedient again. There is ‘an outside nation’ (China, etc.) bent on oppressing America. It is bad for the American people. But it might be good for the American churches. As Newton said, “A body at rest will remain at rest unless an outside force acts on it.” And as many have admitted over the last twenty-five years, the Body of Christ (in America) is certainly at rest.
The explosion in Nashville was 7.7 miles from the nearest [f]B,I field orifice, blocks from the pd and detention center, grand ole apree, Johnny Cache museum and the music hall of Fame.
Scoogle says it would take 16 min to make the trip but on Christmas morning at 5AM bet it would take less than 5min.
I’m wondering about all the senate, house, governor, etc races that were also fraudulent, since most are already swore in. We probably have a lot more republicans that really won. Is anything going to be done with that situation? How will that work?
This has been on my mind as well. My sense of it is that all we can hope for is that President Trump is elected by the electoral college votes, and afterwards decides to do something about the other fraudulent races, if he can. There is no doubt that this nation will cease to run by the design of our founding fathers if Joe Biden steps into the White House as president of the USA. The structure will still be there. The founding Father’s design will still be in place, only the country will be running as a socialist nation because of the people holding office. When people say they are going to the “cartridge box” instead of the ballot box, I never understand who they plan on fighting against. The only way the people can take this country back is to be involved in their government. I have an idea to get congress to work for the people, but no one seems to be much interested. These things to take work, and effort, and involvement. Most people are too tired, after spending a day at work, so they rest up for the next day, or divulge in some form of entertainment. Entertainment is a distraction from reality, and responsibility… Blessings, AJM http://www.ajmiley.com
Will you please comment on the factory in Taiwan that exploded a few days before Christmas. It manufactured part, or all, of Hydroxychloroquine.
I was thinking about this too and also in light of the recent bombing on Christmas. I hope this is not going to be the new thing!…………./
I keep referring to your helpful and valuable information and insights. My one worry is some say that Pense is deep state. Your thoughts ?????
Trump trusts Pence more than anyone in his administration. Why should I doubt him?
PM – If I am understanding your argument, you are claiming that Pence has the authority to reject the legally certified electors from some states and then unilaterally declare himself and Trump the winners. What kind of crazy system would that be where a VP running for re-election could by his own determination decide whether he wins or loses? If this were possible, doesn’t it mean that VP Biden in 2016 could have rejected Trump electors from these same battleground states based on his own determination that there was illegal voter suppression and declared Hillary Clinton the winner?
If you (and Louie Gohmert) are right, then this is one wildly undemocratic loophole that hasn’t been tried before and shouldn’t be tried. And I think it wildly unfair for anyone to be pressuring Mike Pence to do so. Win or lose, political fighting is endless in a democracy. Our nation survived 8 years of Obama and I expect it will survive 4 years of Biden. We should be focused on winning the Georgia Senate seats now, retaining the Senate in 2022, and winning back the presidency in 2024 with Trump leading the charge if he wants to.
Wellllll, you need an education: 1) “Tried”? It has been done before. In fact, the VP in 1960 was Nixon. He (Rep.) was actually running against JFK (Dem.) for President. Hawaii sent dueling electors to DC and Nixon presiding over the joint session of Congress chose the Dem. electors in favor of JFK. By then he had lost the race handily, and HI only had 3 electors, but Nixon as an honorable man agreed that the Dem. had won in HI. (btw, Nixon did the honorable thing in 1974, too. He resigned.)
2) In this case, 2020, there has been massive voter fraud…or haven’t you been awake? Therefore, Pence as an honorable man, has not only the right, but duty to consider the alternate, “dueling” republican, electors from each of the 7 states who will go to DC Jan 5th. In fact, this will be the most elegant resolution to the issue. And none of the ‘poor’ legislators from federal or states, nor the Courts or SCOTUS will have to bare the weight of making the proper decision…blameless. And if there’s a challenge to Pence’s decision, as they would, take it to court. That would be hilarious stupid of them, because then all of the truth would come forth. PS, there was no such cause in 2016! The Dems response was to mounted a 4 year campaign to ouster Trump…the plots and contingency plots started before he was even sworn in and failed….need we review?
3) We survived 8 years of Obama, Barry, by the GRACE of God. We all (who are Christians) needed the extra 4 years to have God’s point driven home, ‘Get off your hands and pray’. We did and Trump was the result. BTW, in early 2018, 17 (‘Q’) posted the ’16 year plan’ the deep state/globalists had cooked up for USA (It wasn’t pretty – included WW3, etc. Obama had successfully completed his 8 year stint, Barry and Hillary was to take over the next 8). I suggest that you check out the post. So, No, we won’t survive 4 years of Biden, ’cause it’ll be Pres. Kamala when they take down JB (ala 25th amendment). 4) Based on Mitch’s behavior and actions of late (also, his wife is CCP), do you think a Republican Senate run by a RHINO under a Democrat President is going to be nirvana for anyone other than all the deep staters who inhabit DC? Your naiveté is stunning. Scary, Barry!
Finally, no one is forcing Pence….it’s his duty. He’s also a Christian, dah!
Hi Dave–I can’t stop thinking that things are so badly corrupted by this time that the military will need to be the way to end this. Remembering what “Q” said about using the military: “Clean and swift”. We’re a military family and my confidence in our men and women who wear the uniforms of their chosen branches, and who also took the same oath we did when we joined[Marines and Army], is extremely high. Each time I think of this subject, every avenue appears to me to be solidly blocked by the leftist enemies of humanity, and that leaves the one avenue that seems to comfort me the most–using our military to defeat this insurrection or coup, by our fellow American citizens–and, that is the most horrible thing about this–it is our own citizens who make up the 5th column that is attempting to seize power! Like a virus that kills it’s host–which has never made any sense to me! God be with you, and bless you, and thank you for all you do.
This Canadian stands with Trump. Globalism is a threat to nearly all living humans. I flew my Trump Flag on my truck with pride on election day and took the cheers and jeers. By ballots or Bullets he will be president. You have had 2 civil wars so far. It is not impossible to see a third on the near horizon; the military and police are with Trump. If freedom dies in America, it dies everywhere because who could stop it? Russia? China? No thank you very much. Canada has already been over run by Chinese, they own everything and are buying real estate en masse. Their military openly train here with our soldiers within view of the US Border. If legislative and legal means fail……
Wow, great survey of the possible paths to Stopping the Steal via state legislatures and in Congress. Wish I had come across this sooner.
But there is one other path to stopping the steal that Praying Medic has overlooked, one that the president can invoke himself without needing any help from the courts or Congress or even his vice president: enforcement of the Article IV guarantee that each state “shall have a republican form of government.”
Because the republican guarantee is stated as a guarantee is can be reasonably interpreted by the president as authorizing him to take WHATEVER STEPS ARE NECESSARY to thwart and overturn the results of an unrepublican (election stealing) state electoral system, or else the guarantee fails to be a guarantee.
That means it can be used to override pretty much any other constitutional provision, including the presidential selection process itself and even the inauguration date. He could delay selection and inauguration for months until the tainted 2020 elections can be re-run in model open and honest fashion by the federal government, effectively stripping the unrepublican state governments of the unrepublican parts and moving on from there.
Ideally Pence will come through on the 6th and use his position as President of the Senate to invalidate the electors from the tainted states. If he fails to do that, or if SCOTUS steps in and rules that he has overstepped his authority, then President Trump can respond by ordering a full guarantee clause enforcement effort, nullifying the 2020 elections in the tainted states and nullifying the presidential selection process that ensued from them, with genuinely open and honest elections run by our military to follow as soon as is practical.
When our republican form of government itself is under attack the republican guarantee becomes the most fundamental and powerful provision in the Constitution, capable of overriding everything else, and the Supreme Court, by its own precedents, should not interfere.
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As for the last resort military option – Not going to happen! The Military is not going to start arresting elected officials or re-run elections because our Constitution prohibits this kind of intrusion into domestic politics, and not even the Commander in Chief can legally order them to do so.
General Mark Milley, Trump’s own appointee as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, recently spoke at the opening of the new National Museum of the United States Army. He was clearly sending this important message when he said:
“We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion. We take an oath to the Constitution, and every soldier that is represented in this museum—every sailor, airman, marine, coastguard—each of us protects and defends that document, regardless of personal price.”
I don’t believe President Trump will try to go down this road. But if his great frustration causes him to try, I am confident that the leaders of our great Military will tell him privately and respectfully that they are prohibited from doing so by the Constitution.
I think you underestimate the damage that will be done in 4 years. Most of the middle class did not survive the 8 Obama years, especially those in the fly over zone. Middle class will be be completely demolished. Gobal elite, party of davos, and Chinese Communist Party will all deal death blows to end our constitutional republic during next 4 years. Pence is thinking that he’ll be President in 2024. He mistakenly thinks the 100,000 Trump voters will support him. We will not.
I think we are at war. I think the military could already be involved.
Anyone know where Q went? Sites I have filled him on now seem to be “offline.”
Sites I’ve FOLLOWED him on………
I would love to have Pence finished this off with a big bang. I also read about Lin Wood theory that Mike Pence is a traitor. I kept myself Mute on this one. There are so many Q drops. Couple of them is Q post #4333. Military is the only way. The other is first arrest will shock the world. Obama arrest or Hillary won’t be so shocking. But Pence would. I still hope I am wrong on this One. It would be thoroughly disappointing if Pence is arrested.
#4388. Not #4333
Is there no way for the military to share what it knows to the public on major media?
They have chosen not to share much at all. Aparently, they cannot show their hand…. yet.
Begs the question: What will the next four days be like? I cannot guess.
Where have you been? No videos for a while now.
Working on a new book.
Excellent! God Bless!